Stephen Llewellyn has been with Portland Opera for nearly four years. He has also been a barrister in Hong Kong, a professional folk singer and classically-trained tenor. He makes a mean zabaglione, and cries easily and frequently at opera performances.
In last week's post I touched upon whether Gilbert and Sullivan is opera. In a comment posted by Lorin Wilkerson he suggested that there be further discussion on the whole what-is-opera topic and asked "...it seems like there are so many shades of gray, and it's a bit confusing. Why would you be able to see "Porgy and Bess" or "Sweeney Todd" at the Royal Opera House, but I can't imagine seeing "South Pacific" or "West Side Story" there. Where is the dividing line? Thematic material? X% of the total number of words sung as opposed to spoken? It's something I've never really been able to figure out..." I promised to address this further this week.
Sadly, Lorin, I can't be of much help to you. I have done some reading this week and talked the subject over with those who know this stuff rather better than I and I am left with having to agree whole-heartedly with your many-shades-of-gray position. My first thought was, well opera is largely sung (though it may have dialogue) while a musical is a play with songs thrown in. One might suppose therefore that the proportion of words sung to words spoken would be the criterion but even some Mozart operas have spoken dialogue (Magic Flute, Abduction from the Seraglio) and while they have their own special category, singspiel, are most definitely opera. Andrew Lloyd-Webber's Phantom of The Opera, however, notwithstanding that it is entirely sung, has the word opera in the title and contains material stolen from one of the great opera composers of all time - Giacomo Puccini - is most definitely not opera. Not everyone seems to understand this. You would be amazed (I hope) how many people have said to me words to the effect "Oh, I adore opera. I've seen Phantom five times!" So, in trying to differentiate opera and musical theater you can't just add up the words, add up the notes and see which comes out on top.
One moment's thought is enough to tell us that subject matter is not a criterion.
It used to be that a principal distinction between opera and musical theater was that the singers in musical theater are invariably mic'd while in the opera house you could expect to hear the beauty of the human voice without amplification. There is some irony in this because opera houses tend to be much larger than Broadway theaters and one might reasonably think that in a 1000-seat house on Broadway no amplification would be needed. As I wrote about recently, that distinction has become blurred. The line became blurred further still last week when a performance of the Kern/Hammerstein musical Show Boat took place within the hallowed precincts of Carnegie Hall, a space whose name is inextricably linked with great performances of classical music and opera. Further that production starred bona fide opera stars including barahunk Nathan Gunn (I believe he kept his shirt on for once) but the singers were mic'd. And in a hall noted for its wondrous acoustics. Go figure.
I think it fair to say that I believe opera is normally more difficult for singers to perform than musical theater though I have no doubt some of you will disagree with me. The result of that difficulty is that opera tends to require bigger and more specially trained voices than does a musical.
So we come down to a question such as "Okay then, why is Porgy and Bess called an opera and Show Boat a musical?" and just what is Kurt Weill's Street Scene? and I am left shrugging my shoulders in a very unhelpful fashion. I should be delighted to hear your thoughts on this and again, Lorin, thank you for bringing it up.
Some of you will recall that a few months ago I raved about a production of Carmen by Opera Theater Oregon. This was a silent film accompanied by live music and was fabulous. I have to tell you that OTO has another function in the very near future - this coming Saturday evening in fact. I will tell you all about it next week. This time I cannot be expected to give anything like a balanced or objective review as I shall be performing! I received an email this week from the organizer, Katie Taylor, asking whether I would be prepared to sing in a live version of Queen's timeless classic Bohemian Rhapsody that will be closing the evening's show. What are you kidding? In less time than it takes to sing the title to this week's post I had my spandex tights rinsed out and my shirt slashed to the navel. We had our first rehearsal on Saturday afternoon and while I don't want to say anything which might jinx the show I can tell you that the singers I met are all totally committed to making this a blast. This event is a fund-raiser for OTO and I can guarantee you that not only will your ticket price go to an excellent cause which I am delighted to be able to further but that you will have a great evening and that Bohemian Rhapsody is gonna rock the house!
Submitted by Katie Taylor (not verified) on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 16:43.
Yay, Stephen! Thanks for joining up with us for some Freddy! And thanks for the operaman hat tip for our benefit show this Saturday.
So here's a poser for you - - is R. Kelly's "Trapped in the Closet" an opera or a staged cantata? It was widely and odiously promoted as the first hip-hopera (which isn't in fact true - - that honor would go to the Beyonce Knowles 'Carmen,' ca 2001). I may not be remembering correctly, but I believe that Kelly is the only singer.
Submitted by Stephen Llewellyn (not verified) on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 21:19.
And surely you meant 'Freddie'....By the weirdest stroke of coincidence as I typed the word Freddie they began to play Bohemian Rhapsody over at PGE Park where a ball game is in progress. Is this a good omen ?
Submitted by Katie Taylor (not verified) on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 22:44.
Ack! There goes my spelling and penmanship award.
Can't wait for your dissection of R. Kelly, Stephen. Just for the record, I think "Trapped in the Closet" is the most laughably awful thing to come along in pop music for the past 10 years. Enjoy!
Submitted by Lorin Wilkerson (not verified) on Mon, 06/16/2008 - 12:25.
Thanks for taking the time to respond in depth to my question; when I think about it in terms of the singers' training, as you mentioned, the distinction becomes clearer. For instance, while Johnny Depp might be perfectly serviceable singing the title role in a film version of "Sweeney Todd", you'll never hear him do Ramfis or Don Ottavio (At least I fervently hope not...and for the record I love Johnny Depp.)
While I've no trouble distinguishing stylistic differences between examples that fit obviously and securely into one genre or the other (for this argument's sake we'll say 'opera' and 'broadway musical'), the distinction between those that approach the shady middle ground, such as "Show Boat" and "Porgy and Bess," as you mentioned, present much more of a conundrum.
Sanguinity shed some further light in his comment on what can be a somewhat artificial distinction in terms of genre. It calls to mind an interview that I conducted for Northwest Reverb with Ron Blessinger (Artistic Director/Violinist of Third Angle) some weeks ago, when he addressed a very similar topic. He said: "The words used to describe the distinctions between genres are marketing tools. Now, marketing is a form of communication with consumers, so it’s not irrelevant."
At any rate, it seems that wherever opera and musical theater meet in the middle, it's sometimes six of one, half dozen of the other. I love both, so I guess I'll remain happily confused and continue to enjoy it all! Break a leg with the OTO!
Submitted by Stephen Llewellyn (not verified) on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 10:22.
An interesting point about marketing, Lorin. I smiled to myself as I wondered whether "Coming to the Keller soon - Monteverd's smash-hit musical L'incoronazione di Poppea!!" might attract a different demographic to Portland Opera.
Submitted by Sanguinity (not verified) on Mon, 06/16/2008 - 10:26.
:: It used to be that a principal distinction between opera and musical theater was that the singers in musical theater are invariably mic'd while in the opera house you could expect to hear the beauty of the human voice without amplification. ::
I'm always confused by this statement, as it implies that there was no distinction between opera and musical theater until amplification technology came along and created one. In fact, I didn't even know that Broadway uses microphones in their shows until I could afford to start seeing the occasional Broadway production -- local productions of musical theater never miked their shows. (Hah! They were doing well to afford a spotlight for the principals. Don't ask how we managed to light duets.) And yet, even without my knowing of this "principal distinction," I had no trouble perceiving that there was a genre distinction between opera and musical theater, nor did I have trouble correctly placing Puccini in the one and Hammerstein in the other.
(Which brings up a question: just when did Broadway start mic'ing their productions? And how long after that did the presence of microphones become known as the "principal distinction" between the two genres? And who thought it was the principal distinction? Opera folks? I'd bet that Broadway folks don't go around saying, "See, they don't mike their shows, and that's why we won't bother with opera.")
Trying to locate the key characteristics differentiating opera and musicals reminds me of trying to discover what differentiates book genres from each other. In the book world, that turns out to be the wrong question. Genre is a construct of audience demographics and marketing, and is not a feature of the books themselves. In a sense, "genre" is a version of "if you like this book, you may also enjoy," implemented at the level of shelves in the bookstore.
I'm tempted to think that the answer to the opera/musical question is the same as it is in the bookworld: it ultimately amounts to producers noticing that singspiel plays well to the same audiences who enjoy Puccini (yet Phantom can't be expected to do so), while Phantom plays well to the same audiences who enjoy South Pacific (but don't try springing Puccini on them). And consequently organizing season tickets -- and entire production companies -- around that phenomenon.
Incidentally, this also explains why Sweeney Todd plays well to both genres -- what else would you expect of the perfection that is Sweeney? ;-)
Submitted by Stephen Llewellyn (not verified) on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 19:52.
I don't think it is that there was no distinction between musical theater before amplification came along. Carol Channing was certainly mic'd for Hello Dolly in 1964 and there seems to be evidence of previous amplification taking place. What I suspect happened is that as the quality of amplification improved in the 1960's to keep pace with the growing demand for more sophisticated recordings in the pop industry so Broadway impresarios realised that they could employ a good looking but not necessarily strong singer in a role and beef-up his/her voice. Gradually this became the norm enabling a singer on Broadway to perform her role seven or eight times in a week which he or she would have been unable to do if he or she were to be depending entirely on an un-amplified voice. Opera impresarios obviously decided against going down that road and so that distinction arose: put crudely, if the singers were mic'd it was musical theater and if not it was opera.
I do like your analogy with the book world.
I am not prepared to accept so easily "the perfection that is Sweeney" It is a fine show I'll grant you. I think it hasn't had a truly successful production in a top-flight opera company. It was done at the Royal Opera House a couple of seasons ago but wasn't received with un-alloyed praise. In fairness the blame for that attached mainly to the singers rather than the show but having seen both the 'live' show and the recent movie I am not persuaded it can fall into the opera category even with good casting.
I recently came across a review of a book entitled The Rise and Fall of the Broadway Musical by Mark N. Grant. I suspect you would enjoy this book and the review itself has much interesting stuff in it. It may be found here:
Submitted by Bob (not verified) on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 09:12.
...why is Porgy and Bess called an opera...
The main reason is that although Porgy and Bess was destined for Broadway, Gershwin had always conceived of the work as an opera, in which important plot information was transmitted not by means of spoken dialogue--the typical device in musical theater—but rather through sung recitative, which was common practice in the operatic repertoire that Gershwin would have known. While Gershwin’s librettist, DuBose Heyward, thought that spoken dialogue would “give the opera speed and tempo,” the composer differed strongly and eventually overruled his collaborator. Porgy and Bess was revived in 1942 with spoken dialogue replacing the sung recitatives, but during the 1950s, as it toured opera houses around the world, the work regained much of its original operatic form, and it’s this version that we see and hear today.
and Show Boat a musical?
Again, primarily because the musical numbers are separated by spoken dialogue, which was not the way plot information was typically presented in opera. (I would argue that by citing Abduction from the Seraglio or Magic Flute, you've given a couple of exceptions that prove the rule. Compared to the Italian melodramma of the 19th century, German-language Singspiel had very little lasting impact outside of its relatively limited geographical region. Given the fact that neither of those two works were performed with any regularity until right around the Second World War, Singspiel certainly wouldn't have been what came to mind when most people thought of or talked about "opera.")
It's worth noting that Show Boat entered the repertoire of the New York City Opera way back in 1954, making it the first Broadway show to attain truly operatic status, and that the work received a landmark production in 1983 at the Houston Grand Opera, which utilized Robert Russell Bennett's original orchestrations and a considerable amount of previously discarded tryout material.
just what is Kurt Weill's Street Scene?
During the 1930s, Weill had expressed an interest in creating "a special blend of musical theater which would completely integrate drama and music, spoken word, song, and movement," and Street Scene was his first major attempt at realizing this desire. "This form of theater has its special attraction for the composer," he wrote, "because it allows him to use a great variety of musical idioms, to write music that is both serious and light, operatic and popular, emotional and sophisticated, orchestral and vocal. Each show of this type has to create its own style, its own texture, its own relationship between words and music, because music becomes a truly integral part of the play -- it helps deepen the emotions and clarify the structure."
Weill was in a real sense addressing the European operatic tradition AND the tradition of American musical theater at the same time, and it's perhaps because of this that Street Scene is so difficult to classify. Like Porgy and Bess, it premiered on Broadway, and also like Gershwin's work, it's gained a reasonably secure place in the modern operatic canon.
Submitted by Stephen Llewellyn (not verified) on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 10:15.
Well, what can I say Bob except thank you very much for a thoughtful, considered and informative comment. It told me a heap of stuff I didn't know and I suspect many others didn't know either. I do hope readers will keep their thoughts on the differences between opera and musicals and not the differences between you and me. The cries of "Well Bob knows what he's talking about..." might be deafening!
Yay, Stephen! Thanks for
Yay, Stephen! Thanks for joining up with us for some Freddy! And thanks for the operaman hat tip for our benefit show this Saturday.
So here's a poser for you - - is R. Kelly's "Trapped in the Closet" an opera or a staged cantata? It was widely and odiously promoted as the first hip-hopera (which isn't in fact true - - that honor would go to the Beyonce Knowles 'Carmen,' ca 2001). I may not be remembering correctly, but I believe that Kelly is the only singer.
See you at rehearsal!
Katie T.
And surely you meant
And surely you meant 'Freddie'....By the weirdest stroke of coincidence as I typed the word Freddie they began to play Bohemian Rhapsody over at PGE Park where a ball game is in progress. Is this a good omen ?
Ack! There goes my spelling
Ack! There goes my spelling and penmanship award.
Can't wait for your dissection of R. Kelly, Stephen. Just for the record, I think "Trapped in the Closet" is the most laughably awful thing to come along in pop music for the past 10 years. Enjoy!
Katie
Also, yes! Queen is
Also, yes! Queen is generally a harbinger of good tidings, even under the worst of circumstances.
Katie; I just looked this
Katie; I just looked this up on Wikipedia and it is waaaay too good to be dealt with in a line or two. Watch this space.
Thanks for taking the time
Thanks for taking the time to respond in depth to my question; when I think about it in terms of the singers' training, as you mentioned, the distinction becomes clearer. For instance, while Johnny Depp might be perfectly serviceable singing the title role in a film version of "Sweeney Todd", you'll never hear him do Ramfis or Don Ottavio (At least I fervently hope not...and for the record I love Johnny Depp.)
While I've no trouble distinguishing stylistic differences between examples that fit obviously and securely into one genre or the other (for this argument's sake we'll say 'opera' and 'broadway musical'), the distinction between those that approach the shady middle ground, such as "Show Boat" and "Porgy and Bess," as you mentioned, present much more of a conundrum.
Sanguinity shed some further light in his comment on what can be a somewhat artificial distinction in terms of genre. It calls to mind an interview that I conducted for Northwest Reverb with Ron Blessinger (Artistic Director/Violinist of Third Angle) some weeks ago, when he addressed a very similar topic. He said: "The words used to describe the distinctions between genres are marketing tools. Now, marketing is a form of communication with consumers, so it’s not irrelevant."
At any rate, it seems that wherever opera and musical theater meet in the middle, it's sometimes six of one, half dozen of the other. I love both, so I guess I'll remain happily confused and continue to enjoy it all! Break a leg with the OTO!
An interesting point about
An interesting point about marketing, Lorin. I smiled to myself as I wondered whether "Coming to the Keller soon - Monteverd's smash-hit musical L'incoronazione di Poppea!!" might attract a different demographic to Portland Opera.
:: It used to be that a
:: It used to be that a principal distinction between opera and musical theater was that the singers in musical theater are invariably mic'd while in the opera house you could expect to hear the beauty of the human voice without amplification. ::
I'm always confused by this statement, as it implies that there was no distinction between opera and musical theater until amplification technology came along and created one. In fact, I didn't even know that Broadway uses microphones in their shows until I could afford to start seeing the occasional Broadway production -- local productions of musical theater never miked their shows. (Hah! They were doing well to afford a spotlight for the principals. Don't ask how we managed to light duets.) And yet, even without my knowing of this "principal distinction," I had no trouble perceiving that there was a genre distinction between opera and musical theater, nor did I have trouble correctly placing Puccini in the one and Hammerstein in the other.
(Which brings up a question: just when did Broadway start mic'ing their productions? And how long after that did the presence of microphones become known as the "principal distinction" between the two genres? And who thought it was the principal distinction? Opera folks? I'd bet that Broadway folks don't go around saying, "See, they don't mike their shows, and that's why we won't bother with opera.")
Trying to locate the key characteristics differentiating opera and musicals reminds me of trying to discover what differentiates book genres from each other. In the book world, that turns out to be the wrong question. Genre is a construct of audience demographics and marketing, and is not a feature of the books themselves. In a sense, "genre" is a version of "if you like this book, you may also enjoy," implemented at the level of shelves in the bookstore.
I'm tempted to think that the answer to the opera/musical question is the same as it is in the bookworld: it ultimately amounts to producers noticing that singspiel plays well to the same audiences who enjoy Puccini (yet Phantom can't be expected to do so), while Phantom plays well to the same audiences who enjoy South Pacific (but don't try springing Puccini on them). And consequently organizing season tickets -- and entire production companies -- around that phenomenon.
Incidentally, this also explains why Sweeney Todd plays well to both genres -- what else would you expect of the perfection that is Sweeney? ;-)
I don't think it is that
I don't think it is that there was no distinction between musical theater before amplification came along. Carol Channing was certainly mic'd for Hello Dolly in 1964 and there seems to be evidence of previous amplification taking place. What I suspect happened is that as the quality of amplification improved in the 1960's to keep pace with the growing demand for more sophisticated recordings in the pop industry so Broadway impresarios realised that they could employ a good looking but not necessarily strong singer in a role and beef-up his/her voice. Gradually this became the norm enabling a singer on Broadway to perform her role seven or eight times in a week which he or she would have been unable to do if he or she were to be depending entirely on an un-amplified voice. Opera impresarios obviously decided against going down that road and so that distinction arose: put crudely, if the singers were mic'd it was musical theater and if not it was opera.
I do like your analogy with the book world.
I am not prepared to accept so easily "the perfection that is Sweeney" It is a fine show I'll grant you. I think it hasn't had a truly successful production in a top-flight opera company. It was done at the Royal Opera House a couple of seasons ago but wasn't received with un-alloyed praise. In fairness the blame for that attached mainly to the singers rather than the show but having seen both the 'live' show and the recent movie I am not persuaded it can fall into the opera category even with good casting.
I recently came across a review of a book entitled The Rise and Fall of the Broadway Musical by Mark N. Grant. I suspect you would enjoy this book and the review itself has much interesting stuff in it. It may be found here:
http://www.talkinbroadway.com/rialto/past/2005/02_11_05.html
...why is Porgy and Bess
...why is Porgy and Bess called an opera...
The main reason is that although Porgy and Bess was destined for Broadway, Gershwin had always conceived of the work as an opera, in which important plot information was transmitted not by means of spoken dialogue--the typical device in musical theater—but rather through sung recitative, which was common practice in the operatic repertoire that Gershwin would have known. While Gershwin’s librettist, DuBose Heyward, thought that spoken dialogue would “give the opera speed and tempo,” the composer differed strongly and eventually overruled his collaborator. Porgy and Bess was revived in 1942 with spoken dialogue replacing the sung recitatives, but during the 1950s, as it toured opera houses around the world, the work regained much of its original operatic form, and it’s this version that we see and hear today.
and Show Boat a musical?
Again, primarily because the musical numbers are separated by spoken dialogue, which was not the way plot information was typically presented in opera. (I would argue that by citing Abduction from the Seraglio or Magic Flute, you've given a couple of exceptions that prove the rule. Compared to the Italian melodramma of the 19th century, German-language Singspiel had very little lasting impact outside of its relatively limited geographical region. Given the fact that neither of those two works were performed with any regularity until right around the Second World War, Singspiel certainly wouldn't have been what came to mind when most people thought of or talked about "opera.")
It's worth noting that Show Boat entered the repertoire of the New York City Opera way back in 1954, making it the first Broadway show to attain truly operatic status, and that the work received a landmark production in 1983 at the Houston Grand Opera, which utilized Robert Russell Bennett's original orchestrations and a considerable amount of previously discarded tryout material.
just what is Kurt Weill's Street Scene?
During the 1930s, Weill had expressed an interest in creating "a special blend of musical theater which would completely integrate drama and music, spoken word, song, and movement," and Street Scene was his first major attempt at realizing this desire. "This form of theater has its special attraction for the composer," he wrote, "because it allows him to use a great variety of musical idioms, to write music that is both serious and light, operatic and popular, emotional and sophisticated, orchestral and vocal. Each show of this type has to create its own style, its own texture, its own relationship between words and music, because music becomes a truly integral part of the play -- it helps deepen the emotions and clarify the structure."
Weill was in a real sense addressing the European operatic tradition AND the tradition of American musical theater at the same time, and it's perhaps because of this that Street Scene is so difficult to classify. Like Porgy and Bess, it premiered on Broadway, and also like Gershwin's work, it's gained a reasonably secure place in the modern operatic canon.
Well, what can I say Bob
Well, what can I say Bob except thank you very much for a thoughtful, considered and informative comment. It told me a heap of stuff I didn't know and I suspect many others didn't know either. I do hope readers will keep their thoughts on the differences between opera and musicals and not the differences between you and me. The cries of "Well Bob knows what he's talking about..." might be deafening!